Posted by
9th & 10th Amendment Man on Friday, August 06, 2010 9:23:39 PM
In response to an 8/6/10 Associated
Press story on Yahoo.com about how twenty states and the nation's
most influential small business demanded that a Federal court hear
their challenge to The Obamassiah's recently passed bill establishing
crooked politician and government bureaucrat controlled health care
because they face imminent harm from its tyrannical mandates, I
posted a ditty that elicited an interesting exchange with a duopoly
supporter with the pseudonym of J.M.
ME:
We have our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, ostensibly fighting to preserve our freedom, when the
greatest threat to our liberties lies right here within our borders:
The duopoly Republicrats and Democans in Washington, D.C. and their
relentless quest to deprive us of our liberties. Stand up and fight
you spineless state-slaves! Quit voting for the duopoly just because
they and the duopoly-controlled lame-stream media tell you that if
you don't vote for Republicrats and Democans, that you are wasting
your vote.
J.M.:
"Every politician will prostitute
themselves to get votes and stay in office. 2 parties or 10 this
would be the case.
Yep, it's a lousy form of government but
it's still better than all the others."
ME:
"'The tree of liberty must be
refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
~~~~Thomas Jefferson
The enabling platitude of "...it's still better than all the others." is the fertilizer of tyranny.
It's not better than the kind of government and freedom we enjoyed prior to the duopoly Republicrat's and Democan's all-powerful
nanny-state. What was better than all others is the kind of government established by Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers,
and most succinctly stated in the 9th and 10 Amendments, both of
which are an anathema to the duopoly.
J.M.:
Then get your guns ready. There's
no fix for what we have short of your quote and there's not nearly
enough will at this point to start killing our neighbors to get back
what we supposedly "had." We should go back to only white
male landowners voting predominantly or revert from any one of the
number of changes that have happened over the years through the
process that the FF's started?
I don't like where the country has gone either but I haven't given up on the idea that it can be
changed through legitimate politics and not merely by grabbing our guns, chosing sides and killing off anyone who disagrees with our
viewpoints. That's lazy, uncreative, and simplistic. Who gets to
decide who needs to die? You? pass, thanks.
ME:
Come-on, J.M., liberty isn't cheap. Sometimes to purchase/regain it blood has to be paid. And damn those
Minutemen for daring to kill those Brits who disagreed with them, huh? They sure were lazy and uncreative weren't they? How arrogant
they were for thinking that they got to decide who got to live and
die. And that Patrick Henry dude, what a dolt for insisting "...give
me liberty or give me death!"
I agree with you to the extent that we should first endeavor to regain our lost liberties,
non-violently through persuasion and the ballot box; however when you
have a situation, exemplified in Arizona, where the people of the
state, through their elected representatives, pass a law to put a
stop to an invasion from a foreign country and the Federal government
takes the side of the invading foreign country, filing a lawsuit
against the people of Arizona, it may be time to take up arms. For
example: What if the governor of Arizona, exhibiting greater
testicular fortitude than all the politicians in D.C., said "Fu*K
you, Obama, we're going to enforce our law and if you don't like it
eat shi*t!. Then what if the Obamassiah sent Federal Troops or other
Federal agents to Arizona to arrest the governor but was stopped by
armed, freedom-loving Arizonians with equally large testicles who've
had enough of D.C. tyranny. I for one would grab my gun and go to
Arizona to fight with the patriots against the tyranny of the Feds.
What would you do? I hope you wouldn't offer straw man arguments
about, '..white male landowners voting predominantly.
J.M.:
Not a straw man - you were
talking about the good old days of establishment by the FF's of which
you have to take the "good with the bad" not just the
idealistic ideals that both sides seem to cling to. That was policy -
fact. Women voting? How about the fact that most states wouldn't
allow people in office that were atheists (and it's still on the
books unchallenged in some places like Mass for example.) The "good
ol days" weren't such for some though I, personally, would like
to think that on the whole the ideas were better than not.
You're
right about Arizona - thing is the people have recourse. Vote the
b*stards out who don't support it until they are gone, D or R.
Disregarding the law by breaking other laws isn't the answer,
however. And yes, that means that we have to grit our teeth while it
goes through the process and sometimes even lose. If, however, we
start breaking it down to shooting people who don't agree with "us"
I have a question - who is "us" and which values do they
get to impose on "them?" Whoever has the most
firepower?
I'm a Libertarian, and one of those aforementioned
"white male landowners" so I guess I should be here hoping
for a return to the "good old days." Which team do I get to
be on?
ME:
No, I don't have to take the good with
the bad, and the "FF's", as you are wont to call them, in
their infinite wisdom, fabricated a system that ultimately expunged
the bad.
As for Arizona, you didn't answer my question
directly, but it is implied that you wouldn't be joining the freedom
fighters. I suppose you would be exhorting Arizonians to "Vote
the b*astards out". The problem is, the b*astards are mostly in
D.C. where they habitually thumb there noses at the 9th and 10th
Amendments. So how is the relatively sparsely populated state of
Arizona supposed to vote out a D.C. political duopoly that is kept in
power by heavily populated, tyranny-supporting states like New York,
California, Florida, Massachusetts, et.al.?.
J.M., you're
certainly not stupid, this I can tell from your articulate responses;
however, with some trepidation, I must assert that you are exhibiting
some naivete when you resort to a bromide like "Vote the
bastards out...".